Re: So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed...

Author:	Thy Sentinel
Homepage:	www.vvinenglish.com
Date:	2017-07-15 11:56:59
In Reply To:	So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... by BenMech
Views:	253

What happens in music between 1968-1980?

That's not the point of this discussion. My premise is: prior to 1980 the only change is the absence of BS. Every other band: Judas Priest, Scorpions, Queen, and (perhaps the most relevant to this discussion) Rainbow go just like they did in real life.

The question is: how would we rank / perceive Black Sabbath if they dropped on this earth in 1980 with "Heaven & Hell"?

VTS

"The horizon is my finish line, the very edge of earth" ("Vysotsky in English" project, www.vvinenglish.com)

Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
- Without the first 7 albums why would Ozzy be considered for Sabbath? Blizzard wouldn't have existed either... - Blah Blah 2017-07-19
  - And yet Iommi has an early demo of Ozzy doing Children of the Sea - Genghis Grim 2017-07-19
    - I'd be curious to hear this...is it out there anywhere? nt - nvandyk 2017-07-19
      - I know they started it before Ozzy left, but as Grim said it probably ended up very different. - T.J. Swoboda 2017-07-22
      - Same here...would especially be interesting hearing Ozzy dof the LOOK OUT part (nt) - Chris F5 2017-07-20
      - I don't think so besides Iommi's private collection. - Genghis Grim 2017-07-19
- So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... - BenMech 2017-07-15
  - Re: So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
    - Re: So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... - BenMech 2017-07-15
      - Re: So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-16
        
        Re: So being that your premise is intrinsically flawed... - BenMech 2017-07-16
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-17
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Nosferatwo 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Nosferatwo 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - BenMceh 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-20
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - BenMech 2017-07-20
        
        Wow. Thanks. I thought this was kinda excessive for you. np - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-22
        
        Re: Wow. Thanks. I thought this was kinda excessive for you. np - BenMech 2017-07-22
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Nosferatwo 2017-07-20
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - BenMceh 2017-07-20
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Chris F5 2017-07-20
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - BenMceh 2017-07-20
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Chris F5 2017-07-21
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Genghis Grim 2017-07-21
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-19
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Chris F5 2017-07-19
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Nosferatwo 2017-07-19
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Joe-× 2017-07-19
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - T.J. Swoboda 2017-07-22
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Joe-× 2017-07-18
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-17
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-17
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-17
        
        Re: This isn't a hard concept to understand Ben - TW 2017-07-18
        
        I don't think Sad Wings exists without Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. (NT) - Blah Blah 2017-07-19
        
        In this premise it does. - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-20
        
        So then....what of Born Again and Seventh Star? - Chris F5 2017-07-18
        
        Or this... - Chris F5 2017-07-20
        
        How is everyone forgetting Uriah Heep? (nt) - Genghis Grim 2017-07-19
        
        Only a fraction of metal/hard rock fans are even aware of their existence. Bolt from blue H&H would sell more (nt) - Joe-× 2017-07-19
        
        What people are aware of then and now is sort of fungible - Genghis Grim 2017-07-19
        
        And, for the record, Sabbath without the first five albums wouldn't matter even a hundreth as much as they do. (NT) - Blah Blah 2017-07-19
  - Jethro Tull gets Iommi for ten years. (nt) - T.J. Swoboda 2017-07-15
    - Re: Jethro Tull gets Iommi for ten years. (nt) - Genghis Grim 2017-07-16
    - So, let's consider what happens in Tull during that time - BenMech 2017-07-16
      - They are legitimately a metal band and and deserve that Grammy?(nt) - Chris F5 2017-07-16
- Dave Meniketti hires Ronnie James Dio as full time vocalist and renames the band Y&D (np) - Joe-× 2017-07-18
  - You're a serious bullpen coach, bra. (nt) - Genghis Grim 2017-07-19
- H&H would be BS's SWOD: beloved by the true fans as their best, but not by the general public - Russ 2017-07-19
- Quiet Riot's Slade covers feature an excess of pinch harmonics (np) - Casual Observer 2017-07-18
- Main difference: mirror universe Iommi has no moustaches (nt) - teonzo 2017-07-16
  - lol. nt - nvandyk 2017-07-18
- Heaven & Hell is one of the greatest albums of all time, so yes, they are still at the top. nt - nvandyk 2017-07-18
- Also let's not forget this is the NWOBHM era. - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-18
- Geezer Butler is an accountant who noodles as 5th rhythm guitarist in a Fairport Convention clone band (np) - Joe-× 2017-07-18
- Clumsy Tony cuts off eight more fingertips in the sheet metal plant while waiting for his big break - Joe-× 2017-07-18
- Sharon would have married Roy Wood and H&H would have gotten nixed by Arden in favor of something with more crumhorn(np) - Joe-× 2017-07-17
  - Yeah, if Don Arden was your manager it was his way or defenestration. - T.J. Swoboda 2017-07-17
- I thought we "have demonstrated time and time again, that they just don't care about metal." - von 2017-07-15
  - Re: I thought we "have demonstrated time and time again, that they just don't care about metal." - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-16
    - Re: - von 2017-07-17
- Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Reality 2017-07-15
  - I'm glad at least one of you actually gave an answer. np - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-16
- A world without doom - Genghis Grim 2017-07-15
- Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Mark 2017-07-15
  - Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
    - Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Nosferatwo 2017-07-15
      - Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
        
        Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Nosferatwo 2017-07-15
        
        Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
        
        Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Nosferatwo 2017-07-15
        
        Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Thy Sentinel 2017-07-15
        
        Re: Cross-posted: Black Sabbath without the 70s? - Nosferatwo 2017-07-15
        
        Good eye Bread. I heard about those Newt Gingrich books also. (nt) - Genghis Grim 2017-07-15